tic tok!, tic-tok!!

hi, this is your friend Loote, again! hehe. could not help sharing this article. as much as i appreciate freedom of expression, it amazes me when educated people, that too living in US, fail to comprehend maoists revolution-armed revolution and nepal's ground realities.

why would maoists disarm before CA or before they see that a stable enviroment has been set up for a startup?

--to let the royalists take over again? it should be understood that although monarchy is frozen, its NOT dead yet. do you really want them to take over you yet again?
if yes, i have nothing to say.
if no, accept what maoists are saying.

Do you want maoists to retaliate and bring october revolution and hence more chaos in the country?
if yes, i have nothing to say.
if no, listen to them.

this dude's article cracked me up. he is juxtaposing maoists with hezbollah. does he have a slightest clue of the ground reality of nepal? does he know what message an irresponsible statement as such can circulate around the world at this important juncture of peace making process?

pisses me off, yes big time!!! when educated people lacks patience and fail to comprehend our realities.

Nepal’s Maoists Out-of-Sync with Rest of Nation
By Bhupal Lamichhaney

- http://www.nepalnews.com/archive/2006/others/guestcolumn/sep/guest_columns_06.php

LooTe

Sorry for personal attack.. i don't want to discuss with you on this..good night

dude,
i am not proving anything here. it's a forum for analysis and discussion.

1) there are people who see things.
2) there are people who don't see things and
3) there are people who see things but pretend otherwise.

i used to think that you are no 2....sorry i did not you are no 3.

LooTe

and there is fouth kind :
4] People who pretend that they see

and you are that type:)

read that as **i did not know that you are no 3.

and thanks for putting me at no 4. :).

on a personal note:
I STILL LOVE YOU!!!!! ;)

LooTe

and i would like to return your a** with i read it a**

you are thanking me for putting you on fourth ..strange anyways ..you admit it !!
i don't admit i am NO.3 i am NO.1 ..i see,i see very clearly what is coming in future of Nepal unlike you who pretends to be seeing all the time ..
how injustice ? how maoist are hero and all others are bad . It is easily said than done!!

you barking in favor of maoist .has amazed me as always ..remember you are barking at shadow..not the object itself...Injustice always injustice when it is done by someone else if maoist does it is becomes part of freedom fight..good going we need more educated people like you ..and our country would be ruled by freedom fighter who loot , rape and still awarded title of freedom fighter..

If a cop does mistake ..it is the govt ..if maoist cadre does it . it is not party policies..

you have so started talking like parchanda..good influence on you...malai dukha cha..mero hirdya dekhi dukhi chu..hahahhaaha..

on personal note :
thanks for loving ;) i don't hate you ..i just hate your idealogy man.

well,
it seems like you have not understood the crux. i hate to say this but you are not seeing things on their entirety and that is why we fail to resonate.

" how maoist are hero and all others are bad"
-- i have never said all others are bad. neither i am blindly advocating maoists. it's the cause which they have put in as reasons behind their revolution that i support. and if you are a nepali, i believe, you have to support that. its the fundamental questions of equality which they have raised and which nobody cared for centuries. if you don't understand that, then i can't argue with you.period. if you do understand that then you should be able to comprehend why the maoists revolution took place.

you are skeptical in supporting them because you think they will turn nepal to a communist republic. you may well have envisioned north korea and cambodia in nepal. if that is only skepticism, i can understand, and just like i told hyperthread, i tell you that maoists will bring their own downfall if they dare to do that. if that is your belief then you either have to revise it or we have to stand with your ever sour arguments against maoists time and again.

tetti ho

LooTe

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT KIND OF HEROS ARE THESE?????????????????????

Maoists torture minors; one missing: Report

Rana Bahadur Nepali, 10, from Barala of Dadagaun willage development committee (VDC) 6, has been mentally disoriented while another boy Kailash Budhathoki, 13 has disappeared since they were beaten up and tortured by the rebels, newspaper reports said on Thursday.

"After the Maoists' torture he gets frightened even on seeing common people," The Kathmandu Post daily quoted Shasi Nepali, mother of Rana Bahadur as saying.

She added, "He just stares into space and cannot stay still."

A group of six Maoists beat up Rana Bahadur and two other boys Padam Budhathoki, 10, and Buddhi Ram Nepali, 15, as well-- on the charge of stealing goods worth 9 thousand rupees from the house of Khim Bahadur Khattri, a local.

Claiming themselves innocent, the boys stated that they were beaten up for no reason.

The whereabouts of Budhathoki is unknown since the incident, according to local Padam Bahadur Bhandari.

The boys had paid 15,000 rupees for the charge. The rebels provided 9,000 rupees as compensation to Khattri while they took 6,000 rupees as "punishment charge", the paper quoted Bhandari as saying.

Maoists are saying my way or no way. Their inflexibility makes me think they are not eager to solve the current crisis. Do they believe in democracy? If they do, why can’t they wait until referendums’ verdict on Whether Nepalese people want the king or not? Why not let the people decide whether they want monarchy or not on a peaceful way.

Personally I don’t want the king anymore but can I judge 23 million peoples’ opinion on my way?

Maoists want to run parallel government, have their own judicial system, collect tax and have their own army. Does anyone want to see two governments in one state? Maoists want to go be the government but don’t want to leave behind their rebellious characters. Can you be both rebel and government?

Every citizen deserves Democracy, Liberty and rule of Law. Who ever comes to the power should force the rule of Law. We lag behind because we don’t want to follow the law. Maoist should take the greatest share of blame for breaking the law.

Are Maoists crazy to disarm so that (R)NA and royalists crsuh them ? I know you guys live in a different world and have no idea what the suffering of poor people means. I have seen that the poorest people from the villages have seen some hope in Maoists. Their dreams will be shattered if Moists disarm now royalists crsuh them and the poor people's dream.

When people talk of terrorism by Maoists, people forget the other form of terrorism that was going on for centuries in Nepal. When a poor child dies in Rolpa coz of poverty, I blame the elite class of Kathmanu for that. To me, that is also terrorism.

And talking of people killed in the last 10 years , more than half are killed by RNA. So they are bigger terrorists. Maoists should disarm at some point, but only after King is ousted.

Talking of democracy, isnt it undemocratic to let someone get the prvilege of being State Head just coz he was born in certain family? I think monarchy should be thrown away without referendum coz retainnig monarchy is undemoratic. King should be equal to ordinary people. If he wants to become the head of state , then go to election and become the president.

I hope dreams of poor nepalis are not shattered this time

Rein, You said 'poorest people have some hope in Maoist'. You may be true because Maoist know how to sell dreams. Have you ever thought from the side of the poor people who lost their love ones due to Maoist Voilence? Do They care who should be the head of the State? Ask your family, relatives and all the suffers what do they want? a peaceful enviornment or the power hungry political partys' tussel ?

Why wouldn't poor people care about who the head of the state is? They are undeducated, but not ignorant. They want the head of the state to be someone who'd hear their voice, someone who would give them the opportunity to progress.

Why don't you people understand that lives are lost during revolution? There was civil war between the north and the south: lives were lost. Do you mean it would have been better if there was no civil war in the US?

Do you guys know the importance of politicians? And what happens if there are no politicians with vision? Why are businessmen inept to be a good politician? Why the best presidents of the US have a law degree? Doesn't it boil down to just/unjust?

Sajhauser - You bring up some great points and have posted some of the more sensible arguments on this thread so far. In the spirit of openness and dialogue, allow me to sound-off on a few of the points you made:

" Why don't you people understand that lives are lost during revolution?"

You people? Who is you people?

I do understand lives are lost in a revolution - except that in this case the revolution is over, and no more lives should be lost now. This is the right time to disarm.

"Doesn't it boil down to just/unjust? "

Yes, except when yesterday's victims become todays perpetrators, justice can become perverted. I give the Maoists a lot of credit for a lot of things but they are fast loosing the moral high ground on the issue of justice.

Have a good day!

sajha ur thinking is like george bush or condoliza rice. pathetic.kill the innocent. lives are lost during revolution during civil war. Wow whats so Civil about war. War is never justified. Innocent lives are lost.

When king lost its power it was not due to maoist. It was people who revolt agaist them. They just wanted to prove they are with people as an oppurtunist.

maoist are still extorting murdering, and killing people when they say they are in peace talk. how much credibility does that give to them. Can we trust them when they themselves cant keep their words.

and in any case dont say king king and king. nobody knows what nepali verdict is . If anybody doesnot like king doesnot mean that becomes the voice of people. Lets wait for referrendum. there should also be fair referrendum wether we need maoist or not.

and you say maoist listen to poor. forget it. they have taught poor how to kill. they have taken child and given them gun. how can this be reverted. Nowadays everyday we see people grouping against maoist and killing them in differnet villages of nepal. Seems like these poor villagers are fed up of maoist atrocities. These may not be a significant news but are sign for the things to come.

See how Prachanda's belly is bulging more and more day by day !!!!!! Sarbahara re??? ha ha.. they wanna live luxury life... that's all what Maoists leaders wants.... they are faggots.... insects in poops.

What Maoists are preaching is all HOLLOW. It's like promising 430km/hr speed with Bullocks.

hmm..nice arguments. i appreciate all your comments.

please allow me some leverage at this point to expand this talk a bit towards what i see. referendum, yes! i agree it's probably the most democratic way of scrutinizing things and make a decision out of it- no doubt! and at this moment, with the risk of not sounding judgmental, i say that majority of us will vote against monarchy. even if we decide to keep monarchy, does a democratic way always have to be correct? i remember what mr. Bush once said during the presidential debate. sometimes leaders have to make decisions that are against the liking of majority of people. sometimes they have to make UNpopular decisions. coz popular decisions are not always right. that was his justification of US's initation for war in Iraq.

the same applies to nepal at this point according to how i see. monarchy was/is/will be a burden for nepal no matter what form it remains as--absolute,constitutional or ceremonial. i believe that the social disparity that we have in nepal roots out from narayanhity palace. as i mentioned in another thread some time ago, the pyramidal social structure that we have in our society comprise monarchy as a root at the base. All the suckers of our society who are suppressing dalit, mahila, janajati, madishe et. al. are part of that parasitic pyramid. Hence we need to demolish the structure and form a uniform structure with zero altitude where nobody needs to stoop in front of anyone, where there is no racial/cast/creed prejudices. that's one reasons i see the elmination of monarchy as a "must" requirement if we are to see a birth of new 'just' nepal. we need to believe that we (nepali) can exist independently. for that we need to oust the monarchy, it will be the best starting point.

secondly, although the root of monarchy lies in palace, its braches extend all across nepal from mechi to mahakali. so even if monarchy is hand-cuffed and mutated to cermonial form, its influence on nepali society and hence on nepali politics will remain. king supporters are everwhere be it NA, Nepal Police, beureocracy or private industries and they will remain at status quo for a reasonable period of time.

thirdly, "ceremonial", as the word itself stands out for, references to something which is respected, which deserves respect. Has KG and PP left anything behind for them them to be respected by people?

lastly, even if a good person (let's say like King B) be a monarch, what is the guarantee that his son will not try to infiltrate into politics? what is the guarantee that he will not try to dictate his terms? do we want our grandson or his grandson to fight for justice yet again? i believe this is the right time. let's do it once and for all.

so this is what this revolution is for. we want a social reformation inside the nation, its a change of big magnitude hence in my view, it is nothing less than the French revolution.

peace is very important, no doubt! but it should be understood that the longevity of peace is even more important. if we look back at panchayat era, it was definitely one of the most peaceful stages in nepal's history. for thirty years, we had peace, but what did that do? did we have freedom of expression? did a dalit get his fundamental right? did we develop as a society? the upheaval that we have been witnessing for the last 10 years is the repercussion of the short termed peace that we were offered.

bottom line. let's have a bit more patience. i am sure when a favorable environment is set up (army restructuring, CA announcement and ideally when king is ousted), maoists will disarm.

LooTe

I am not in favor of monarchy either BUT you don't need armed Maoists to get rid of monarchy - at least not anymore. The CA elections/referendrum will decide that. Maoists arms are the biggest stubling block right now in the way of the peace process moving forward.

Captain Haddock,

Why don't you think armed Maoists are not needed to get rid of the monarchy? The king still exists and the heads of the army are the same people as before. Who can guarentee that maoists won't be captured by the NA if they disarm? It was maoist who initially proposed the idea of arm management by the UN. And it was the politicians in the governemnt, who then sent letter to UN with information that was not agreed upon. Let alone the king, how can the government be trusted?

Bidhan,
I suggest you to look at the meaning of civil war in wikipedia and understand its full meaning before you yap again, okay?

pyaro lootekukur bhai,
kusal rahi kusalta ko kamana gardachhu.
aaru sabai besai chhaa. pohar saal jangali mama haru le ghar khet ko kagaz lageko timlai thaha chadai chhaa. bhayeko ek jodi gai ra tin wata bakhro pani lagi haale. dashain mukhaa chhaa. buhari chyanti timilai samjhi samjhi sarai runchhee. mero poi umrika gaako yetro barsa bhai sakyo, kina farkinnaan bhanera sodhi rahanchhee.
timro bhunte dalle choro jhaan jhaan ghorle hudai gaako chhaa. umrika jaane bhanera kahile kahi jhagada garchhaa.
timi khaash tyaha ke po gardai chau bhai, padhna bhaneraa gaa maanchhee kati laamo padhai ho? siddhiyena bhanyaa?
pohar saal timle computar bata khasi pathaye jhai yspaali ni pathai dinchau bhannee aash ma.

uuhi dukhi dai
ram prasad neupane.

punaschaa: yes paali ni dv chittha bharne chhu, timle bhanyaa jastai, herau pari po halchhaa ki. birkhe ko kaka le birkhe lai phone garna launu bhannu bhaa chhaa...bhan dinu hai.

sajahuser mind is in sync with her darling prachanda..

after reading so many stories how maoist are making poor people suffer..this crazy woman still thinks maoist are fighting for poor..

EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT IS CIVIL WAR..AGAIN IF YOU ARE FIGHTING FOR POOR WHY ARE YOU MAKING OTHER POOR SUFFER???WHO DESCRIMINATES??WHAT GURANTEE IS THEIR THAT THEY DON'T DESCRIMINATE AFTER COMING TO POWER?

EVERYBODY KNOWS PEOPLE DIE AND ONE GROUP KILLS ANOTHER BUT WHAT IS THE NEED TO SLAUGHTER PEOPLE BY CUTTING THROAT , INHUMAN WAYS ..CAN YOU JUSTIFY THAT?

WHAT IS BIGGER - HUMANITY OR MAOIST IDEALOGY??
IF U ARE NOT HUMAN THEN YOU DON'T NEED EQUALITY AND JUSTICE..

so fuser when you don't know the reality yourself don't you yap and bark here too much with loote.