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zingkira
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Posted on 02-06-06 11:07
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Enjoy the cartoons. They have caused riots all over the world. Any Comments / Gaalis to the muslims are welcome.
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newguy007
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Posted on 02-09-06 6:52
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newguy007
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Posted on 02-09-06 7:02
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what the heck...here are some links if you want to see more cartoons... http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/jyllands-posten_cartoons/ http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/recent/ http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/modern_satires/
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yusuf_aalam
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Posted on 02-10-06 3:00
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I am ex-muslim. Yes most of you make sense muslims are not bad people but islam is hate ideology more political than religious... more than self development islam is concerned with "expansion". You can find lot about these things here www.faithfreedom.org But surely it is in best interests of all if moderate voice becomes dominant among muslims. Buut sick politicians and mullahs will try their best not to let that happen because for them a 1400 year old book is only truth in world which they utilize to hold power. Unlike perceptions by people the fanaticsm is hurting muslims themshelves more than anybody else... for instance one of my relative got rejected for visa just because he is muslim. In nepal with peaceful religions of hinduism and buddhism nepali muslims are also mostly peaceful. My sinciere request is that please try to stop maddarsa education etc... let neplese muslims know being slaves of muhhammad is not in their own interests... but please also clear the doubt between islam and muslims... please do not allow riots against muslims to happen... because the riots will only strenghten their fanaticsm.
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Vhootee
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Posted on 02-10-06 10:42
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That's the power to rule and fight againt dominance. Remember a few year back somebody brought the topic of Shiva, the Hindu God was portrait with sunglass with feminine look on the cover of a book that came from a major publication that was circulating all over the world; I beleive it was called Holy Cow or something. We never cared. Boy if it was Mohammed, then this would have started a long time ago. Only Muslim care to be dominant. Does that mean we're too tolerant, liberal or scared to be offended, even we our faith becomes a joke?
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Birbhadra
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Posted on 02-10-06 12:04
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get religion out of politics. seeing a lice on somebody's back and not seeing a buffalo on one's own back has been the basic characteristics of most of the religious zealots bastards
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dyamn
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Posted on 02-10-06 12:42
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i think it's a lack of empathy.. if someone does not like fries , you don't force them to eat fries.. if someone don't like egg plant, yo don't shove it in their mouth. you have to understand and respect others' prespective.. applies to muslim people too... what is important is to live in harmony....what was the need to teasing thier belief if they take such cartoons seriously? for eg: Nepali people find yo mama jokes very personal . Although, i do not agree with lot of muslim views.. i understand why they're mad at these cartoons..
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newguy007
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Posted on 02-10-06 12:49
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Since you understand why they are mad at this cartoon can you please help me to understand too....I'll apprecitate that...
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dyamn
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Posted on 02-10-06 1:19
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ya new guy, i think it is a lack of empathy. thier values are different.differnt people have different values. what joke and small fun for others can be very hurtful insult. As long as their values do not interfare with others value, no need to trouble them. consider them as animals in a zoo and quit poking them.
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BathroomCoffee
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Posted on 02-10-06 1:48
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Newuser7, First of all you have to understand shere these people are coming from. Who fully funded the Afgan War when the Russians occupied them ? The allied nations. Once the Russians pulled out the funding dried up. Remember Osama was a friend of US during this time. After the war they were strung out in the cold(once the purpose of the west was served). Do Statues have any values in Muslim Religion ? NOPE. In fact its agaist their religion to draw an image of MUhammad( I think of humans too if I am not mistaken cause they think it brings them Bad Oman). Therefore why would they wanna kep these statues that have no value to them. I think they just blew them up to provoke people. Just like Nepali folks burned the Mosques in KTm as a result of those NEpalese killed in IRAQ. Just like Salughtering a Cow in a Hindu neighbourhood incites riots in India. Same here...there is no difference.
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newguy007
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Posted on 02-10-06 2:11
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Thanks Dyamn, however you still have not help me to understand why they are so mad at the cartoon that they are burning flags and buildings.....I agree with you that different people have different values and small fun to others can be very hurtful insults. But and its a big but...how come you expect to make fun of other who are difference than you and hurt their feeling and don't expect the same from other to you? Help me understand this one....
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Khaobaadi
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Posted on 02-10-06 2:24
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Muslim people are people who have systems of thoughts that are backward compatiable not forward compatiable. Their systems of thoughts are stuck in 11th century which cannot move any further from that point and unfortunately time and speed of change around the world cannot and has not stopped dead at 11century. Therefore as the gap widens they appear more and more radical to the rest of the non-muslim world. Muslims get more and more desperate to stop the unchangable law of change.
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dyamn
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Posted on 02-10-06 2:28
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new guy , please use your creative thinking. Newguy, it is not against westerns or even Nepali's religion to make cartoons of our religious figures. We , Nepali even have gaijatra where we make fun of religious figures. Remember , people trying to be Mahadev walking around hanuman dhoka in gaijatra. Remember kamana and other papers around gaijatra time? However, it is against thier values to make fun of thier religous figures. We need to understand thier values and if we expect them to not bother us , we have to respect thier values too. Now, there are some of their values which we can not accept, and in such cases it is reasonable to have conflict with them. for eg: thier values towards supressing women and other religion( we can not accept). BUT, this value ( about cartoon) is not something that could not be ignored. Why was it important to make fun of their religious figure? it was not necessary. It was not needed. rather than making problems we all should be towards solving problems....
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Birbhadra
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Posted on 02-10-06 2:48
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? feeling hurt = go kill infidels? being sensitive to something is one thing but going out on rampage and carnage is another. the cartoons do not kill people. it cannot dishonor allah. can allah (god) or muhammad be dishonored? are they not beyond honor or dishonor? i hate religious zealots bastards. die and kill . afu pani maar arulai pani maar.
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dyamn
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Posted on 02-10-06 2:58
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it's easy for people who hate ...it's hard for people who love and want to promote love.. it's always so hard to build and so easy to destroy....
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newguy007
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Posted on 02-10-06 3:16
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Dyamn, Sorry man I'm not smart enough like you to think creatie. But I think this is one of the case that even smart and creative people like you don't make any sense. Yes we make fun of our god in Gaijatra coz its our culture and festival. And why should we respect somebody who don't respect us? You know it is ok to be libral on some case however you can't be liberal when someone comes and spit on your face. In that case you either spit on his fact or hit him...tell me dyamn, what do you do when someone comes and spit on your face...are you too libral that even that time you just respect him and leave....
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BathroomCoffee
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Posted on 02-10-06 3:20
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Didn't the WE go on a rampage when Nepali people were murdered in Iraq ? Didn't Hindu's go a rampage when they found out that Muslims were trying to build a mosque in the area that was believed to be Ayodhya ? Didn't the Crusaders invade Jarusalem cause they thought Muslims were desecrating the holy land ? Drawing a picture of Muhamad is like trying to force feed beef to a hindu(to put things in perpective). I am not defending all the violence and destruction being done by them. Drawing a picture does not justify the loss of life caused by this incident. I am just trying to say that I understand their sentiment. This sort of shit happens all the time in India. Hindus kill a pig and throw it in Muslim Neighbourhood, in return Muslims kill a pig and throw it in Hindu neighbourhood. And the RIOTS start.
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BathroomCoffee
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Posted on 02-10-06 3:22
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Muslims kills cow not pig (Typo) and throw it in Hindu neighbourhood.
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Posted on 02-10-06 3:44
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Holy cow
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pundit
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Posted on 02-10-06 3:47
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dyamn
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Posted on 02-10-06 3:50
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newguy, no where i am trying to say that i am smart. If i were smart i would have solved issues like these already in the world. I am just a normal person with own opinion and like to share it in peaceful way. Also, i am not saying that we can avoid all the conflicts with muslims. I am sure there are lots of things we can not and will not agree with them. However, there was no need to make fun of them. this cartoon incident was not necessary. Also, i do not understand why no body speak against rich muslim countries like Saudi and why poor countries get picked on all the times. as far as your questions goes about someone spitting on my face . I honestly don't know what i will do in such situation. it has never happened , but i understand that it is not impossible.someone who disagree with me or do not like me can do that. i am glad that you're a nice person but if we were talking in person and if you were not a nice person you could spit on my face as well. So i think, i would try to be caution in the first place. I would not have argue or try to avoid conflict if it is possible. for eg, if it was about a seat on a bus, i would tell him to take it and move somewhere else..if it is a big issue and avoiding conflict is no choice, i think i would spit back at him at least if he's someone i can handle.if spiting is too much of a risk , i would suck it up... for eg, if i was surrounded my maoists in a remote village and one of them comes up and spit on my face, i wouls take it and hope it get away with that much of torture... so my friend, what i am trying to say is all situations are different and we react differently depending on the situation and other factors related to such situations.Avoiding conflict can not be a choice all the time, but we should at least try to avoid. war- hatered brings no good outcomes. Cartoon incident was unnecessary. If it was about freeing woman, or speaking for minority of people practicing other religions in those countries , i would be speaking loud for them in here and everywhere. but insulting them, poking them and get mad at them when they out cry is not ethical.... jasto lagcha hai malayee ta...
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