Enjoy the cartoons. They have caused riots all over the world. Any Comments / Gaalis to the muslims are welcome.

It is suprising that even after reading the direct quotes of Koran that preaches hate, you completely overlook those and start preaching muslim?? Its disgusting..

The problem lies in not coforming the implementations of your believes alongwith the everchanging world. The idealogy, identity and gist should remain intact, though there should be willingness to incorporate he changes progressively. Other religions, e.g. Hinduism, Christianity, etc., have embraced the progressive changes necessary for this era, though their idealogy and identity remains intact and uncompromised. e.g., Polygamy is not accepted even by orthodox Hindu or Christian, though it was quite acceptable few years back. But this progressive acceptance doesn't seem to exist in Islam. Though, as put by Vishontar, Prophets points might have been quite valid for that era, still in 21st century, the followers are using the same rules even without slight change or with insignificant change. The world has become a huge melting pot and now we should believe in live and let live and feel compassionate about others religions and practices. The protest around the world by Muslims against mockery of their believes is justified (if it were peaceful) but where was the same zeal to defend ones believes when the colossal statue of Buddha was demolished in Afganistan, when Hindus and Christians in Pakistan and Bangladesh are forced to live like second class citizens to date. Respect should be earned by respecting others, not by abashing others and expecting to get respect in return. On the other note, the cartoon and mocking of ones believes sure is unacceptable to any religious person no matter what religion he follows, but also, he/she should be compassionate about other believes equally.

Based from his postings, its obvious Vishontar is just another muslim with his Islamic Propoganda. He reminds me of a Moroccan classmate who used the same tactics to try convert me.

Vishontar like all other muslims, claim Mohammad was ahead of this time, and he was a perfect human, and blah blah blah.. Its nothing but Arab Propoganda. For centuries, muslims have used it to convert "kaffirs" as its their sworn duty to bring "unbelievers" in the path of Allah.

No 4 wives, nor 72 virgins for me.. sorry Allah

Exposing the myth that Islam is a peaceful religion.
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There is but one Islam, a singular correct view of Muhammad, his religion, and his god. It is the one found in the Qur’an and Hadith. There is no independent record of Muhammad in history from which a variant view may be drawn. The Hadith and Qur’an are the sole repository of information on this man, his times, means, and mission. The Muhammad of Islam, the god of Islam, and the religion of Islam must be as these sources present them. Prophet of Doom is dedicated to exposing Islam’s scriptures and what Muhammad had to say about himself, his ambition, religion, and god.

Islam rises and falls on Muhammad. He is the doctrine’s sole prophet, its lone founder, its god’s singular conduit. Yet the picture the Islamic scriptures paint is not flattering. I analyzed the five most holy Islamic books and spent two years studying Muhammad and his message. What I found was bone chilling. The depiction of the prophet by the most revered Muslim sources is horrendous. Nearly every page reveals behavior that is immoral, criminal, and violent. The five oldest and most trusted Islamic sources don’t portray Muhammad as a great and godly man. They reveal that he was a thief, liar, assassin, mass murderer, terrorist, warmonger, and an unrestrained sexual pervert engaged in pedophilia, incest, and rape. He authorized deception, assassinations, torture, slavery, and genocide. He was a pirate, not a prophet. According to the Hadith and the Qur’an, Muhammad and his henchmen plundered their way to power and prosperity. And by putting the Qur’an in chronological order and correlating it with the context of Muhammad’s life as it was reported in the Sira, Sunnah and Hadith, we also find that Allah mirrored his prophet’s character. Muhammad’s god condoned immoral and criminal behavior. Allah boasts about being a terrorist. He claims to have deceived men, to have stolen their property, to have enslaved women and children, to having committed acts of murder, genocide, and sadistic tortures.

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Recognizing that most people don’t have the will, time, or means to invest 10,000 hours into the study of Islam, I have done the heavy lifting for you. I have distilled the salient parts of the five earliest and most holy Islamic books into one: the Qur’an, and the inspired Sunnah collections of Ibn Ishaq’s Sira, al-Tabari’s History, and Bukhari’s and Muslim’s Hadith. And rather than taking them out of context, they have been rearranged chronologically. A running commentary is provided so as to hold them accountable. You will see Muhammad, Allah, and Islam as they really are. The story that unfolds in their scriptures starts out foolish, turns hateful, then punitive, violent, and repulsive. Muhammad’s first Qur’anic revelations are demonic, fixated on disgusting depictions of hell, pain, punishment and “entertainment.” And that’s the good part. The moment Muhammad and his gang slither out of Mecca, they pick up the sword and never put it down. What you are going to read from the Islamic scriptures will shake you to your core—you will be revolted and terrified—especially if you’re a Muslim.

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@vishontar

You sound too much like a typical islamic apologist. Just like christians say that the millions killed during crusades had nothing to do with teachings of christianity and hindus claiming that caste system has nothing to do with religion.

You can always try to hide the facts but fact is that no religion in this world is worth folllowing blindly... fortunately most of the religions can be evolved but not islam....

How can you say that muhhammad was moral man... do you expect someone with sound mental health to marry 6year old? do you expect someone with sound mind to kill every male relative of a woman and have sex with her same day... do you expect sound person to tell others to have 4 wives and himself marry 9 women? do what I say dont do what I do, huh?

I dont like repeating points again and again... there is ample proof that muhhammad was immoral character... but more important is fact that today islam is causing huge tragedy to mankind... www.thereligionofpeace.com

Anyway I heard about some hindu guru in USA who used to have sex with 18 year old disciple... but the followers did not consider him immoral at all... it is just because of 'herd' mentality... I dont have any data how my ancestors got converted to islam but for sure it was by somekind of force... muhhammad was just another human being I am not obliged to follow him and unnecessarily glorify him because my parents did so.

i thought somebody was a rational intellect but turns out i was wrong. complete BS.
islam is the worst thing that happened to mankind.

Very impressive replies. Thank you all, thank you so much. I am more or less agree with all of you :). Before continuing my understanding about Muhammed and Islam, let me clearify something.

I have been saying that I don't accept things blindly. Everything which is not logical, rational, practicle, scientific and result oriented, I reject it. I reject it no matter whosoever has said it or written it. I don't accept those verses of Kooran that doesn't meet aforementioned criterian. I am with all of you guys, I don't have anything to argue with. Clear??

I am writing here about Muhammed, who, I believe, was a great man. He was not perfect but he was incomparable among Arabs of those days. This doesn't mean that I appreciate Islam, especially the modern form of Islam. One thing is sure, if I were in Arab at the time of Muhammed, I would have been Muslim :).

I am talking about Muhammed, a person, not about Muslims. Judge my words! If you don't find them rational, I will love to hear rational from you. Regrettably, the person, whom I am talkig about, is a founder of an organized religion, whose followers are very irrational. Let me take it out of this religion and judge him.

Let me explain what i wrote before.

Muhammed picked up weapon for self protection ...... after great tolerence. I can't judge this because I can't accept violence at any form.

He eradicated slavery, which was deep rooted in the society at that time. Wasn't he ahead of some people of 21st century who had been enjoying slaves till few years ago. Think how difficult to think of complete revolutionary idea! We like and enjoy the culture and tradition where we born and grow up. We can not see imperfections of our tradition and culture until we get opportunity to compare. If you are landlord you can not see any wrong with Kamaiya tradition. This is true for common people. However, this man could see slavery as impurity of the society and he eradicated it. Wasn't he extraordinary?

To marry widows and adopt orphans was also wisest discission. In our tradition widows were so biased till yesterday. It was consider sin to look at widows. How shameful! Think of being a widow! There was no place for widows in our society. He made rule to accomodate widows and orphans. Widows and orphans enjoyed protection in Islamic world. Isn't it rational?

By the way, why Muslims consider pig as a filthy animal? Does it have to do any thing with Muhammad? I mean, is it because Muhammad hated pork chops once upon a time ???

mr. paradesi, u talk like Mohamad was ur"gujja khelda dekhi ko sathi ho".........anyway, I think they are the terror of the world, an absolute ethnicity and religion of SOBs!!!

Shiv Ji, you have a point. You are moving little bit faster, i will deal with the expansion of Islam later. I am not preaching Islam, please don't be misleaded. I don't hesitate to accept goodies no matter where they are from. I always condemn baddies no matter who has done them.


<< Major Ji, I laughed a lot thanks :).

Aalam Saab, I agree with you regarding the eight years old wife of Muhammed. I don't have much knowledge about it. Some says, it was for protection but he could have adapt her as daughter. Lot many things depends on the social structure and heart of the person. Depends what type of heart Muhammed had when he took that discission. If he had taken her as a mean of passion for future, he was immoral. If he had feeling of protection in his mind, he was not.

Harke ji, I agree with you.

Birbhadra Jee :), if your guesture is towards me, I appreciate that. Thanks for providing such an honor (rational intellectual) although just for sometime :). I am kidding.

One thing I always claim that I am rational. If you think I am irrational to some point, please help me out to be ratioanal. .... seriously. It is dangerous to be irrational beacuse that will be cause of my regress. Regarding intellectual, let me refrain from that honor :). I don't like it. I have seen many reputed intellectuals who are irrational. I am always worried to be intellectual and irrational :).

Honestly, I don't differentiate people as intellectual and non-intellectual, educated and uneducated, learned and illitrate; but always differenitate them as rational and irrational.

You made a point in your previous posting. Only sience should rule the world! I will write about it some day.

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Vishontar, Muslim is all fake........and stop bullshitting about that shit here at sajha. if u agree with mr. shiv, u are no more muslim, u just got converted to Hinduism, coz shiv is all abt hinduism, welcome to ur new religion punk!

VISHONTAR,
I have lost interest to have a meaningful conversation with you as you keep saying the same thing over again and again and evade the subject of terrorism and its deep rooted presence in kooran.
I dont know your infatuation about islam or I should say I dont care but at times I wonder your motives. It does seem that you are a hardliner and there is no need for further conversation.

>>If you think I am irrational to some point, please help me

Yes you are being irrational. All you have to do is read all the postings/articles carefully understand those and comment on those rather than singing praises of Mohammad, for whom there is a lot if controversy.
-Shiv

@vishontar
>>> He eradicated slavery, which was deep rooted in the society at that time.

He took jews of mecca as slave after killing all their male relatives. All mughal kings after muhhammad had lots of sex slaves. Can you elaborate how he eradicated slavery. Most verses in quaran deal with the rights of slaves... yes he clearly mentioned rights of slave but it was 1/16 th of an ordinary man... I fail to see how this can be termed as removal of slavery.

>>>>One thing is sure, if I were in Arab at the time of Muhammed, I would have been Muslim :).

ha ha otherwise you would have died.

>>> Some says, it was for protection but he could have adapt her as daughter.
She was daughter of his cousion. He asked her hand when she was 6 years old. But muhhammads cousion found it very unsuitable to marry his daughter to 52 year old man. Any way he consumatted his marrige when ayesha was 9 year old. It was for protection?? may be you can send your daughter or your underage sister to me for protection... he died while making love to ayesha... what a great way to die... it pains to see how so many people blindly follow this man...

yusuf thanks for the reply

islam means submission, ie become slave to imaginary god called allah no it doesn't mean peace. vishontar i'm surprized at your replies. are you joking?

if i could i would wipe away all forms of organized religion from the face of this earth.

i have been reading all the above thread...i didn't understand what vhisintor is trying to make other people believe...all of you thanks for sharing info about mohammod..before i had no idea about himm.....i always wanted to know what was in koran...that made most of the muslim extremeist.............

i have been reading all the above thread...i didn't understand what vhisintor is trying to make other people believe...all of you thanks for sharing info about mohammod..before i had no idea about himm.....i always wanted to know what was in koran...that made most of the muslim extremeist.............

VISHONTAR, you are just another typical muslim. Like all other muslims you do not talk about the bad side of the religion. When Yusuf started talking about Mohammad eight years old wife you said you don’t have much knowledge about that. How in the world you know so much about him and not know about that. How come you don’t write about him saying to his followers that killing non muslims will show to the true path to Allah. Didn’t he kill 700 or so Jews who already surrendered? Vishontar you are not rational, you are a hypocrite.

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Check out the video.

warning: Graphic Video.

May be this is why Arabs are pissed. The cartoons is a straw to break camel's back.

Sorry for digging into dirt.

Sorry for the graphic video.

But may be this will give you insight and change u r perception.

An eye to an is not an answer.

peace

highfly,
Thank you for the link.
The discussion is not about the war that is going in between Israel and Palestine, or on the destruction of the war. It is about the deep rooted cause on hatred and its relationship with Koran.
The link you posted does not justify the killing that is going on for centuries.
-Shiv

gosh it was so graphic video...couldn't even watch it....

SHIV...i haven't read koran and i came to know about korna a lot iin this thread...
but still i think the main reason for muslim hatred towards west is due to palestine...
muslim think all muslims are brothers (religion)...and when ever anything happens they always say long live palestine..yeah palestine is suffering a lots and everyone knows ....but the way they are fighting is not right way....but anyway there is double standards by west to israel and palestine....
The last thing for the muslim was just to see those cartoon just to make things worst which is already worse.........
Just my opinion....